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Over the weekend the LA Times became the next major news outlook to tackle the forex market with a story titled Foreign currency trading is easy — an easy way to lose money. This one isn’t quite so inflammatory as others I’ve blogged about in recent weeks, and I found the 615,000 estimate for American forex traders interesting. Maybe journalists are starting to get a better handle on things. That doesn’t mean this particular article isn’t without its issues, however.

Taking on forex marketing
I give the LA Times full marks for taking on the subject of marketing in the retail foreign exchange trading arena. In fact, I wish they would have gone a bit further with that topic. It is absolutely true that “easy” is often featured in the ads run by major forex brokers, leading the unaware to believe that they can just open an account and be on their way to riches or supplemental income.

The example provided in the article of a woman who got sucked in by this sort of marketing is an apt one. It offers us a couple of important lessons. Obviously, the first one is trading isn’t as easy as some would lead you to believe. Certainly, it’s easy to place trades and all that, but no one with any experience at all will call the path to successful trading a walk in the park. The second lesson is that new traders shouldn’t open accounts with borrowed money (credit card charge in this case).

Betting money you don’t have
Here’s where things start going off the rails. The article describes trading on leverage as allowing traders to “bet money they don’t have”. This verbiage suggests a misunderstanding of how things operate in retail forex trading. It suggests a model like the one in the stock market where leveraged trading means borrowing to buy more shares than one could otherwise purchase. This simply isn’t the case in forex. There’s no borrowing to buy or sell anything.

The margin requirement in forex is a surety against loss. It effectively limits the amount of money a trader can lose on a single position, especially since most brokers these days have automatic closures that kick in when losses are too big. On top of that, many brokers indemnify customers against losing more than what’s in their account on the off chance that some incredibly dramatic event causes a big gap move. Stock and futures brokers don’t generally have these kinds of protections.

In other words, in forex the chances of you having money beyond what is in your account at risk are very, very, very small, if not non-existent. Traders who lose all their money don’t generally do so because of one bad market move. They do it because of a series of poor trades.

Blaming it on the broker
The next step in the article is to focus blame on the brokers. We’ve all heard traders complain about their brokers. Most of the time it’s sour grapes from someone who is looking to place the blame for their losses on someone other than themselves. The fact that the woman in the LA Times article said “They always had tricks to take my money” in talking about her broker lowers her credibility with me.

Yes. There absolutely are scammers out there. Anything popular in the way forex has become is going to attract an unsavory element. There’s a steady stream of CFTC action against forex operations you’ve likely never heard of before. That latter part is the thing I’d focus on, though. It’s not the big brokerage houses the regulators are constantly nailing for taking people’s money. Certainly, there have been some issues with some of them, as the article notes, but the increased scrutiny they are under now is making for an increasingly fair market.

As for the higher turnover experienced by the forex brokers, I’ll refer back to the marketing methods. Folks with unrealistic expectations don’t tend to stick around long.

Brokers making money off their customers
Do forex brokers profit off their customers? You bet. Because these dealers make money on the spread, every time a customer buys at the offer price and sells at the bid they make a small profit. As I documented in my Cost of Trading post, however, the trader expenses for forex are competitive with those of other markets.

The LA Times article indicates that Gain (forex.com) made an average of $2913 per active trader customer in 2010 and FXCM made $2641. It then goes on to compare that against average customer account sizes of $3000 and $3658 respectively. I have three problems with this side-by-side analysis presumably to make us horrified at how greedy the brokers are and how they systematically bleed customers dry.

First, notice how the article uses the term “active trader” when looking at how much Gain and FXCM made, but only uses “average customer” to describe account size. That suggests to me looking at separate data sets which may not, in fact, be comparable.

Second, do we have specifics for how those revenues were made? Was that spread income. Was it carry interest? Was it something else?

Third, without having much more information about the distribution of the data for the average income and account size figures above, we really cannot make any judgments. The income figures could be seriously skewed by very active traders with large accounts while the account size figures could be weighed down by numerous inactive small accounts.

Also, the article tosses out the statistics that about 70% to 80% of Gain and FXCM customers lose money on a quarterly basis. That certainly sounds horrible, but do we have a comparison with other markets like stocks?

If you really want to see if the brokers are up to no good, figure out what they should be making based on transaction volumes and average spreads and compare that to what’s being reported. If there’s a big gap, then an explanation will be wanting.

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Be sure to read the full risk disclosure before trading Forex. Please note that Forex trading involves significant risk of loss. It is not suitable for all investors and you should make sure you understand the risks involved before trading. Performance, strategies and charts shown are not necessarily predictive of any particular result. And, as always, past performance is no indication of future results. Investor returns may vary from Trade Leader returns based on slippage, fees, broker spreads, volatility or other market conditions.

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Attention all Alpari UK, Ava FX, Easy Forex, and FX Pro traders: you can now join Currensee for free and link your live brokerage account. As part of the first-ever Forex social network, you’ll be able to measure your performance and share real-time trade data with your online trading team. We’re all about bringing trust and transparency to the Forex market, and are excited to welcome new members to our unique collaborative trading community.

“We couldn’t do what we do without strong relationships with Forex brokers and these new partnerships enable a whole new group of traders to take advantage of the Currensee trader network,” said Asaf Yigal, co-founder of Currensee.

Emanuel Kronitz, CEO of Ava FX, said, “We are thrilled to partner with Currensee and provide our traders with access to the Currensee trader network. Ava FX is dedicated to creating an exceptional Forex trading experience, and our relationship with Currensee gives our traders access to a unique Forex social network and the ability to connect with a wide variety of traders from around the world. It is a great compliment to our services.”

Sounds like a win-win. We look forward to meeting and collaborating with our new traders on the block. Now go mingle and build your trading team!

Happy Trading,

The Currensee Team

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Be sure to read the full risk disclosure before trading Forex. Please note that Forex trading involves significant risk of loss. It is not suitable for all investors and you should make sure you understand the risks involved before trading. Performance, strategies and charts shown are not necessarily predictive of any particular result. And, as always, past performance is no indication of future results.

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Be sure to read the full risk disclosure before trading Forex. Please note that Forex trading involves significant risk of loss. It is not suitable for all investors and you should make sure you understand the risks involved before trading. Performance, strategies and charts shown are not necessarily predictive of any particular result. And, as always, past performance is no indication of future results. Investor returns may vary from Trade Leader returns based on slippage, fees, broker spreads, volatility or other market conditions.

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Part of our mission here at Currensee is to provide Forex traders the ability to participate in our platform experience, regardless of which broker they are using. On average, we spend about 20% of our engineering time on accommodating all the brokers and their proprietary APIs in order to give traders the ability to join right away. Supporting the various brokers out in the land of Forex has proven to be a challenging task even though the majority of the brokers see great value in what we do and provide tremendous help in achieving this goal.

Until now.

One broker we haven’t been able to partner with is Oanda. They do have an API which can be used by us to connect their traders to Currensee but they are unwilling to help us get it going after numerous attempts to contact them. When we finally did receive an automated message of some sort, they said that we are welcome to use the API but that the traders from Oanda that use the API will have to pay $600 to Oanda for this privilege. Are you serious?

One of these FX brokers is not like the others...

Now, here at Currensee, we are providing a free service to traders. It seems odd to us that a broker would force its trader to pay for API usage and it’s certainly unacceptable by us to require this from our traders. We are also surprised because we thought that Oanda supported the idea of trader communities and networks and figured they’d be among the first to see the advantages of our Forex trading social network.

So, here’s the bottom line. If you are trading with Oanda and want to use Currensee you have two options. The first is to switch to a Currensee-friendly broker – we support a variety of brokers who are reliable and regulated including Alpari, dbFX, Forex.com, FXCM, FXDD, FX Solutions, IBfx, MB Trading, odl, PFG Best and TradeView Forex (see the full list of Currensee’s US and international supported brokers here). The second option is to write an email to Oanda and tell them that you want to use Currensee as it’s intended to be – free of charge to the broker. Either way, we hope to see all of you Oanda traders on Currensee soon.

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Be sure to read the full risk disclosure before trading Forex.  Please note that Forex trading involves significant risk of loss. It is not suitable for all investors and you should make sure you understand the risks involved before trading. Performance, strategies and charts shown are not necessarily predictive of any particular result. And, as always, past performance is no indication of future results.

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Be sure to read the full risk disclosure before trading Forex. Please note that Forex trading involves significant risk of loss. It is not suitable for all investors and you should make sure you understand the risks involved before trading. Performance, strategies and charts shown are not necessarily predictive of any particular result. And, as always, past performance is no indication of future results. Investor returns may vary from Trade Leader returns based on slippage, fees, broker spreads, volatility or other market conditions.

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In the following few posts I’ll try to give a few examples of how game theory is applied to trading the forex market hoping to shed some light on the mathematical aspect of trading and the value of collaboration in this market.

The most common statement I hear from traders is “The forex market is an efficient zero-sum game market and therefore sharing information may expose my edge.”

So what is a zero-sum game and how do I know if the above statement is true? Let’s start by talking about game theory and the different types of mathematical games.

Game theory is relatively young and quite complex branch of mathematics applying math to structurally define strategic situations in games. Mathematical games are most commonly defined by the number of players, duration of the game, game sum (more on this in a minute), simultaneous/sequential, and information flow. So for example chess is a two player, finite, zero-sum, sequential perfect information game because there are two players, the game ends when one of the players wins, only one player can win, the players take turns in playing and each player sees the actions of the other trader. (This is what defines perfect information flow.)

Economy, in general, is a multi player, infinite, positive-sum (Hold on, I promise I will explain why this is), simultaneous, imperfect information game.

Zero-sum games are games where a win by one player means a loss by the other player; the term has little to no relevance when describing multiplayer infinite games. The reason economy is a positive-sum game is because it’s an infinite game where value is built throughout time due to value growth in the overall economy.

So what about retail forex trading? Is forex a zero-sum game?

The short answer is that it doesn’t really matter because it’s an infinite, multiplayer game. The long answer is that it’s not a zero-sum game and it largely depends on the way the broker operates. Brokers that operate as a dealing desk, for example, (also known as market makers) mathematically resemble the way a bookie operates in a horse race. This becomes a negative-sum game because mathematically the players in the game are all traders using the same broker.

So what is the best strategy to play in a multiplayer infinite game with imperfect information – like the retail forex market? – More on that in future posts …

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Be sure to read the full risk disclosure before trading Forex.  Please note that Forex trading involves significant risk of loss. It is not suitable for all investors and you should make sure you understand the risks involved before trading. Performance, strategies and charts shown are not necessarily predictive of any particular result. And, as always, past performance is no indication of future results.

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Be sure to read the full risk disclosure before trading Forex. Please note that Forex trading involves significant risk of loss. It is not suitable for all investors and you should make sure you understand the risks involved before trading. Performance, strategies and charts shown are not necessarily predictive of any particular result. And, as always, past performance is no indication of future results. Investor returns may vary from Trade Leader returns based on slippage, fees, broker spreads, volatility or other market conditions.

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